Comments on: One Man's Terrorist. . . http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2008/12/29/one-mans-terrorist/ Various whatnot brain doodles, frequently dwelling on issues of ecological sustainability and economic justice. As with the rest of the universe, my perception of reality is currently under construction. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:54:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: jte http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2008/12/29/one-mans-terrorist/#comment-96 jte Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:34:56 +0000 http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/?p=22#comment-96 I tend toward supporting a one-state solution myself, in part due to arguments that establishing a truly independent Palestine has become functionally impossible, but also am sympathetic to various reasons for preferring two states, not least being the strong preference on the part of the people involved. On a technical note, I think that Wikipedia article needs improvement on the basis of conflating "binational" with the single state. Within the circles of advocates for a single state, the idea of a specifically binational state refers to certain aspects of the (theoretical) constitution that are different from, say, those associated with the idea of a "single, secular, democratic state." The SSD state would be more like the USA--one person, one vote, all equal <em>as individuals</em> before the law. A binational state, as some use the term, would maintain legally protected nationalities (one "Jewish" and one "Palestinian") as communities with legal standing, alongside/above legal standing and rights for individuals. Kind of like having two official churches in the same state, or something. And so, of course, even within the community of supporters of a single-state solution, debate continues over the best form of that single state. See <a href="http://www.jfjfp.org/karmi_twostates.htm" rel="nofollow">this</a> for a bit on the difference and the history of the various ideas. Karmi notes that the binational state could be organized similar to the Swiss cantons: "This would give the Jews self-government in the localities in which they lived and the rest of the country would be split up into Christian and Muslim self-governing cantons." I tend toward supporting a one-state solution myself, in part due to arguments that establishing a truly independent Palestine has become functionally impossible, but also am sympathetic to various reasons for preferring two states, not least being the strong preference on the part of the people involved. On a technical note, I think that Wikipedia article needs improvement on the basis of conflating "binational" with the single state. Within the circles of advocates for a single state, the idea of a specifically binational state refers to certain aspects of the (theoretical) constitution that are different from, say, those associated with the idea of a "single, secular, democratic state." The SSD state would be more like the USA–one person, one vote, all equal as individuals before the law. A binational state, as some use the term, would maintain legally protected nationalities (one "Jewish" and one "Palestinian") as communities with legal standing, alongside/above legal standing and rights for individuals. Kind of like having two official churches in the same state, or something. And so, of course, even within the community of supporters of a single-state solution, debate continues over the best form of that single state. See this for a bit on the difference and the history of the various ideas. Karmi notes that the binational state could be organized similar to the Swiss cantons: "This would give the Jews self-government in the localities in which they lived and the rest of the country would be split up into Christian and Muslim self-governing cantons."

]]> By: richardseireeni http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2008/12/29/one-mans-terrorist/#comment-95 richardseireeni Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:03:25 +0000 http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/?p=22#comment-95 This sums up the issue quite well. It takes two to tango. In this case the tango of death. One way to move this dance in the direction of peace is with the under-promoted idea of the one-state solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binational_solution). Reducing the Jewish monopoly on power and providing equal protections under just laws in a multi-cultural state is the only way to provide Israelis with security and Palestinians with a constructive future. This sums up the issue quite well. It takes two to tango. In this case the tango of death.

One way to move this dance in the direction of peace is with the under-promoted idea of the one-state solution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binational_solution).

Reducing the Jewish monopoly on power and providing equal protections under just laws in a multi-cultural state is the only way to provide Israelis with security and Palestinians with a constructive future.

]]> By: Brianne http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/2008/12/29/one-mans-terrorist/#comment-91 Brianne Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:52:23 +0000 http://chelseagreen.com/blogs/jtellerelsberg/?p=22#comment-91 Good post, Jonathan. Good post, Jonathan.

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